Who doesn't love a lush,Thomas Caldwell perfectly manicured grass lawn? It turns out, a lot of people are actively trying to get rid of their lawns, ripping out grass in favor of native plants, vegetables, and flowers to attract pollinators.

As the realities of climate change become starker, more and more people are looking for ways to create environmentally friendly spaces.

NPR's Scott Detrow talks with research ecologist Susannah Lerman with the United States Forest Service about the impact of grass lawns on the environment and sustainable alternatives.